You're aptly named Outsider. FYI the Owners Federation seeks to have the rules of NZTR altered to accommodate all Sector groups. The benefit would be that Owners Breeders, Trainers and Jockeys would have standing in the running of the industry. The current situation which is ancient is unjust. As clubs and NZTR are marking each others exams and miss the input of "insiders." To compensate NZTR hold regional workshops and seek inputs by email at times.  If each operative club is a vote 4 votes from Sectors would not "scare the horses," but it gives rise to a situation where industry matters can be raised by those at the coalface. Some tension is introduced which can only be beneficial.  Currently NZTR cite privacy and will not share their database of Owners. The Owners Fed is cited in Statutes as to be the recognised body to address affairs. Currently they are hobbled...

You're missing the point Andrew. although thank you for pointing out how the young ones get a drive in the Bush in NZ.  There's no problem with anyone else driving the Diamonds team. I'm a fan of young drivers getting a go . Is SUPER Important for the GoOd and future of the Sport.. Blair Orange steered FOLLOW YOUR DREAM well to 2 wins at Nelson ( helped brilliantly by John's parked drive on RADHA the first day, John winning with it 2nd day)  The Gordon's (owners)  didn't want the young stable workers driving that 'star' horse ? . the horse isn't that great lol 😉 should give Harrison and Newman more goes with ones like that. they do a heap of stable work early mornings , late nights  and then have to sit there and watch Orange go round . in these tiny little races. It's not a Group race or anything. 😂 At least Olivia gets more goes on Cullens now and is learning her craft well and improving. After Orange was used a lot at first. Group races too. Good on em'.  The POINT is . John being the MAIN Stable 'hands on' worker is Driving to Beat them , on horses trained by other people ?? stretches credibility a Lot .  Is he trying or not ?? how could he come along with a rival to try and beat Judine, Baffled and  Cop-Girl when they're Diamonds runners on Friday ?  In a photo finish or something. ? He should give those drives to Harrison and Newman . How much do you get paid for a drive in NZ at Blenhiem these days? 

It’s time to stop moaning. I have had no trouble finding what I need. 

Every individual blade of grass must be classified as an "attendee". 

Another smart arse...dont need to gallop her dont need to listen to your shit...she looks from my eyes as a owner...SLOW...is that clear enough for you.

Not a good time of year to drop your form Alf.  Just confidently back the CD women cricketers to lose every game and slowly build up your funds.

That's what the report Alf put up said.  They do have big bars at Ellerslie and Trentham. You would be amazed how many are in there.

35000 for each meeting?

I suspect a bit of both.

Gee, more than 18 meetings held every week providing entertainment to 639,000 attendees. Those are big crowds every week.

Could you just explain to me why "the well being of the clubs concerned" isn't particularly relevant to the state of things?  I would have thought the well being of Trentham was quite relevant to the state of the NZ racing industry?

You are certainly entitled to that opinion, but it differs totally to my opinion. It would be a boring place if we all thought the same. I agree though that if Trentham did $300,000 on course and $3m off course and Kumara did $400,000 on and only $1m off then Trentham is playing its role and Kumara is a bit of an aberration.

Not sure why you continue this hunt about Dunns being so much more expensive than everyone else. Can tell you that’s certainly not the case and they’re in line with the main barns in Canterbury. In fact up until about 6 months ago they were cheaper daily rate/monthly bill then most of them and RJ reluctantly went up due to rising costs of everything. Tim’s mum owns a share in one, so Tim driving. JUDINE the stable have been using Mikayla for the half points as concession junior plus giving her a drive for all her hard work. Diamond Racing also own a share in it. Stay in winnable race grade thanks to only getting 3 points last win not 6 thanks to Mikaylas concession half points. BAFFLED is a special case that Riley does all the work on at home and has driven 15/16 starts including a win on debut and running in a Group 1. Also now as 4yo extra benefit is half points with Riley on.

Not sure WD, but did find this when taking a look around as to what's available. Seems hard to fathom the numbers quoted 🤔 https://nztr.co.nz/sites/nztrindustry/files/2024-05/Size and Scope of NZ Racing 22-23_Draft Report 2024 (HR)_0.pdf

Don't think oncourse turnover has much to do with the overall state of things myself, other than for the well being of the clubs concerned where it is a significant earner.

Does anyone have access to the weekend turnovers from Ellerslie, Trentham and Kumara? I have no idea where you can access such things these days. It would be really interesting. I know there isn't much interest in on course attendance these days and at the big tracks a lot of people are probably hidden away inside the bars but on course turnovers surely goes some way towards indicating how the industry is tracking. Trentham had several expensive group races so I imagine they had to do a significant turnover on and off course to fund that.

At Macca Lodge Northern Southland Cup it was for R65 and above pacers but they let in R50 & over to get it off the ground. 

I'm not holding my breath, but has the owner's' federation finally decided to promote itself and expand its membership beyond the 5% of owners that are currently members?

Have you galloped her Scooby? Or one with her?

Thanks for that but I would have already read it , oh and practiced it . Sold 3 2yo's over the years , all had their first prep at the track as July yearlings . Read what I said , it was about not overdoing it to the point of soreness .