Why would nobody bother even going to or watching the meeting, unless you owned a horse. There's certainly nothing for punters. 

ATC field size for tomorrow;       5-7-7-7-8-7-6-7      8 races     54 horses     Stakes $134,000    per horse $2481 Not sure if that is a record or not, but only one race out of eight will pay 3 dividends!

Geoffry Palmer,  this all traces back to his naivety . Bill damages 'fabric of the nation' Sir Geoffrey Palmer said the Treaty Principles Bill has been a "fundamental exception" to a "proper policy process," and it has "damaged the collective fabric of the nation." If the public are going to have a conversation, he said, they have to have a proper policy process that's been "worked through with documents that are authoritative, accurate and carefully researched before any bill is ever introduced." That would require in depth analysis, in-departmental consultation and discussions, and Māori would be consulted, he argued. "Instead, what we've seen is the bill that has clogged up the house with more than 300,000 submissions, wasted a tremendous amount of time and money, and it has damaged the collective fabric of the nation." Palmer said you did not have a policy process that starts with a bill, a policy process "ends with the introduction of a bill." "And that is the basic flaw which this ill-considered Bill has suffered from, and it ought to be cured in the future." He explained ministers must confirm that Bills comply with certain legal principles or obligations when submitting them to be included in the legislative program. "In particular, ministers must draw attention to any aspects of a bill that have implications for or may be affected by the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi." He said that is because the Treaty is binding on New Zealand. ( THERE ARE NO RECOGNISED PRINCIPLES and that's the problem .) "That is the normal way in which policy is made in this Parliament. This has been a fundamental exception to that. This has been an extraordinary legislative process, and it ought never to be repeated." In his long career of studying the New Zealand constitiution and being an actor in it, the former Prime Minister added, he never thought it "would ever be necessary to have a discussion of the sort we've been having here this morning." How Fuckin stupid is this naive Fwit  , 300,000 submissions is huge , not all against the bill  but that's the size of the feeling in society and this tosser is surprised , what shocking judgement this all traces back to his labour government . WHERES DONALD TRUMP AND ELON MUSK when you need them , this country needs a Trump/ Musk equivalent to clean out the sponging , watch the lawyers squeal if we find one .          

Not sure I just assumed the club...heard there was some accident during a recent function there...hope its not true but does not sound good for them.

In the real world, somebody has to pay for the races you enjoy watching, spoiler alert, it is not the ATC or North Island clubs, for the moment it is Entain. The North Island had the benefit of $2.376m more in Stakes than the Southern Clubs and $2.674m in Funding, yet the South managed to generate $272,000 more Gross Betting Revenue from a fraction of the population that the North has available.

I wouldn't be too keen either, but it'd still be better than just 4 of Barry's 🤣

13/01/25 Partnership 'pure fantasy' Make what you like of this from the treaty submissions  Julian Batchelor - representing Stop Co-Governance - made his submission using a presentation on the English text of the Treaty of Waitangi, arguing there would be no need for Treaty Principles if the "true, Bonafide, English final draft of the Treaty was in the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975." Using the English text he said the British said they would "set up a government in these islands." Batchelor said there is no mention of "partnership" in the Treaty, nor that the British would only rule over British settlers. "Why are these ideas blatantly and obviously missing from the plain reading of the entire Treaty" he asked. "Because those ideas don't exist in the Treaty. They're simply not there. They're pure fantasy. They are modern day inventions." He said any party or MP who says the Treaty is a partnership is not just "intellectually lazy, but they're also delusional, or deliberately and knowingly lying to the people of New Zealand." He said it's "oxymoronic" for a country to be both a sovereign and a partner. "Partnership and sovereignty are mutually exclusive concepts. The idea that the treaty is a partnership is the greatest lie to ever come out of the courts." Batchelor said "judges are not gods," they're just people, and people are "fallible and very capable of corruption." "We ought to never accept their judgment when these judgments contradict the plain reading."

Am just wondering too PS who works for Nathan do you know ? I bet there will be an interested Junior in the North who would want to join his stable . Will be interesting to see 

Yes time will tell but a seven or eight horse field is not that attractive to me even if half them are Barrys and half them are Marks.

Time will tell, but l can't imagine Mark's and Barry's horses being in different races very often, thus increasing the amount of $1.30 winners, but competing against each other thus increasing the numbers the competition and therefore the dividends. But we'll know for sure this time next year. 

Mmm I am not sure another heap of 1.30 winners appearing on an already unappealing betting landscape is going to turn too many punters on. Quite the opposite I would have thought.

You accountant types are about as much fun as a fart in an elevator. With the Allstars now shifting back North , (as Mark returns to his roots) the Northern scene will see some of Finest Horsemen On the Planet strutting their stuff. So not only Barry and Scott with their phenomenal horses that earned awards like Merlin, Duchess Megxit and Meant To Be (amongst others) there will be Tony Herlihy , and now his brother-in law Mark and a whole troop of nice horses to engage in the North Island racing.  If you Southerners weren't so BIASED , Nz harness would do a lot better. Shame you're too tight to get the Freebies in the NexGen tent. could help you loosen up a bit. Get your bets on and enjoy the racing !! enough moaning like Myrtle 😂

Bigrig, Sadly pretty much all of New Zealand - maybe even much of the entire world - operates on the "ambulance at the bottom of the cliff" theory for many or most things. Hopefully after your post and scooby's feedback, one small thing might be fixed in future.  

Harrison will probably get the Junior drive's to keep it in the family anyway? . Crystal is still working at Barry's too ? so should be getting the 'plum' Junior Drives there.  Actually Harrison Orange would be ideal to go work with Scott Phelan on the team at Pukekohe , as could get a great launch pad like Olivia did at Allstars . 

RACE or the Wellington Racing club? 

I'm picking they and their owners will be the biggest spenders next week So they will refresh the tanks and go well in the next few years despite a quiet start to this year Dr Robert with this stethoscope is always a sight to behold at the sales🫢

It was evident a year ago there were problems.  When they obviously can't afford to shift the piles of dirt and irrigate properly you know something isn't quite right.

Idol mate, I was no 'patched member' either, but after a hard day in the woolshed an a few beerseys later in the Puke, I didn't give a shite who was in there, you pick on me I'm gunna pick right back....🤣 ahhhh those were the days....I wasn't allowed back in there for 6months, 6 fricken months whaaaaat?!   Cheers Iraklis  

That is fantastic! Thanks for sharing this. Time will tell I guess. However to be blunt- it shouldn't happen in the first place Far too often in this industry we are needing the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, rather than having good processes in place to prevent any such occurrence happening However, we take the positive from your comments and move on

So maybe just maybe it is the trainers voting with their feet and saying enough of the Sunday BS...everyone needs a break and the extra overtime must be killing too...but the people who make these decisions dont have a clue...it needs urgently addressing.