Puke  RACE 3 FLORENZA . Fought on really well after siting outside speed, middle tempo, eased,  home slick in 33 and small change, Good family performers two and three back with 5 and 3 wins respectively, won’t mind a wet track, looked the goods when winning first up trial on a heavy track. Top of the book looks the main danger.  Good luck

You are just a waste of time he said from the beginning he wasn't but you still try to drag him down, he did the work he is a bloody good decent member and a good bloke answers questions unlike yourself...so tell us Doug where are the dozen or so horses you were talking about??? 

But the snart investors spread their risk.  Obviously you haven't sussed that yet.  Now the even smarter investors choose what horses to invest in based on their assessment of the breed, conformation and spread their risk.  You chose Wild Night based on value (you've stated that online) and a liking of his breeding.  Each to their own.  However at the end of the day Te Akau have a full disclosure policy (as do all the big syndicators) and an investor goes in eyes wide open.

Thanks Blaird, pretty much where I thought it sat … not surprised to see hard core facts confirming what I thought, thanks for your post 

Your whole analysis falls over at this point.  She learnt $6.5m on the track and was sold for $7m. She was purchased for less than $400k.  So wrong on that as well. There are numerous errors in what you have posted.  I guess you are a member of the anti Te Akau team.

See earlier threads, therein lies the answer … we are talking Australian “all duck no dinner” … and I love there go to attitude … winners

But what are you actually arguing?

The one thing to remember when looking at those big prices are that the people that are going into the stallion syndicates and fillies syndicates are paying out big money for even smaller %'s and while I'm no tax expert many would be tying in their shares for tax purposes . Someone with more knowledge might be able to enlighten us . And of course some of the fillies do have residual value even if they don't win big , and the odd colt makes it as a stallion so there is residual there as well . But on numbers those that win big are a smaller % , but that is like anybody who decides to race a horse .

I think the basic training fees would come to about 50k , for 10 months in work and spelling . The add ons such as nom's , acceptance , travel and such depending on quality of race would push the annual bill higher .

And you are leaving out training and related fees of at least 80k per year over and above the purchase price of each horse which Blaird doesn't take into account in his excellent summary.  Still waiting for the dozen horses that have returned a profit to the owners in the last ten years.  Im not anti Te Akau and they have bought some damn good horses for not a lot of money but if someone is going to profess to the be the best buyer of horses in the world I would love to know the criteria for that statement.   

Guess we can all sit back and see how the horses performs, over its next starts, certainly creating plenty of banter, a wise man told me never condemn a horse to its dead, I'll be watching with interest. 

For Doug to argue...nothing is impossible.😂

Impossible to argue with those stats.

Good luck to Stephen,Mark and the rest of the El Vencedor team on Sunday lets hope he can do New Zealand proud... El Vencedor on-track for FWD QEII Cup By  NZ Racing Desk  -  April 22, 2025   Share El Vencedor had a solid workout in Hong Kong on Tuesday morning. Photo: Hong Kong Jockey Club Quality New Zealand galloper El Vencedor (NZ) (Shocking), continued his preparations for the prestigious HK$28 million Gr.1 FWD Queen Elizabeth II Cup (2000m) at Sha Tin this Sunday, with a solid workout on Hong Kong’s all-weather track on Tuesday morning. “He is striding out nicely,” trainer Stephen Marsh said. “He’ll have a good hit-out on the turf on Thursday (24 April) with Zac (Purton). And that will do him.” El Vencedor’s journey to Hong Kong hasn’t been without challenges. Shortly after arrival, the son of Shocking experienced a minor setback with a hind hoof abscess. However, Marsh remains optimistic, stating that the issue has been resolved and the horse is back on track. The gelding’s recent form has been nothing short of impressive, boasting three consecutive Group One victories: the Herbie Dyke Stakes, Otaki-Maori WFA Classic, and the Bonecrusher New Zealand Stakes. These performances have earned him a spot among the world’s elite, ranking equal 10th in the latest LONGINES World’s Best Racehorse Rankings. El Vencedor’s adaptability on the track has been a significant asset. “The last four races he has led, he has trailed, he has sat in the one-one and has sat outside the leader and he has done a bit of everything,” Marsh noted. El Vencedor will face a formidable lineup in the FWD QEII Cup, including Goliath, Liberty Island, Prognosis, and Hong Kong Derby hero Cap Ferrat.

A lot of history check out Wikepedia .

a tad contradictory, don't you think TA? You say they "had applied" to join NATO and were then happy for the war to start Therefore, there was no "existing conflict" when they applied...

Come on Doug/CM man up and answer the question.

Thanks for that...good luck CM finding the dozens in the last two years that cost more than 800K that have performed...TA is great at what they do and DE has done a fantastic job over the years but Douggie/CM stop telling porkies.

I have done some studying - Te Akau bought horses from Karaka from 2018 - 2022 that cost more than $350,000. I got this information from the Karaka Yearling Sales results and then the amount they won from Love Racing.  I am not anti Te Akau. I had previously purchased some shares in Style Queen in 2019 who unfortunately never got to the races. These do not contain any subsequent sales amounts or any stud fee's. 2018 - Laureate, purchased for $625000, return was $4850 - Full Of Joy purchased for $900000, returned $0, Lethal purchased for $1.025m returned $6300, Festivity purchased for $410000, returned $156900, Exaltation purchased for $900000, returned $57500, Equinox, purchased for $750000, returned $93730. Total purchased was 26 and only 3 made more than their purchase price. 2019 - Press Baron purchased for $475000, returned $0, No Limits purchased for $1.4m, returned $6800, The Might Spar purchased for $430000, returned $149000, Conquistador purchased for $775000, returned $900. Total purchased was 36, only 6 made more than their purchase price. 2020 - Armory purchased for $375000, returned $0, Noverre purchased for $800000, returned $355000, Imperatrize purchased for $625000, returned $7.5m, Patriarca purchased for $325000, returned $12110, Espionage purchased for $875000, returned $22110, Medal purchased for $500000, returned $4949. Total purchased 26, only 4 made more than their purchase price. 2021 - Vow To Reign purchased for $625000, returned $0, Stella Splendida purchased for $800000, returned $46995, Treaty Of Paris purchased for $520000, returned $80697, Wingspan purchased for $360000, returned $0, Dynastic purchased for $360000, returned $740000. Total purchased 37 with only 6 made more than their purchase price. 2022 - Ascend The Throne, purchased for $575000, returned $202000, War Of Succession purchased for $500000, returned $20160, Lady Of Court purchased for $350000, returned $27900, Autocracy purchased for $440000, returned $745, Rue De Rivoli purchased for $340000, returned $25330, Zourion purchased for $475000, returned $76840, Never Forgotten purchased for $850000, returned $4245, Rule Of law purchased for $600000, returned $38800, Stylistic purchased for %525000, returned $0. Total purchased 32, only 7 made more than their purchase price. They did purchase some below $350000 that made much more than their purchase price but as you can see for the total's there weren't that many. I found these results quite surprising. If anyone is interested, I can post the horses that were bought for less than $350000 that made a profit.